Ms Pinky implementation?

[Mudo]

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Hi,
this is my first post and I see any post about this theme but...
VDMX supports Ms Pinky DVS?
in the negative case...
Why do you not implement this feature?

Ms. Pinky is MaxMsp based and has her own SDK to make easy the developer's job...



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[dlublin]

Hey Mudo,

VDMX5 does not support Ms. Pinky directly, and we probably won't be working on adding it as a feature, at least not for the initial release.

We have written VDMX5 entirely from the ground up (nothing to do with Max/MSP), so to incorporate Ms. Pinky we would need to use the actual Ms. Pinky SDK which is written in C (the Max/MSP objects were made using the SDK, and are great for people working in Max, but they would not help us at all).

A few months ago we checked out what it would take to add support in VDMX5 and while it looks straight-forward enough to work with their SDK, the decision was made that it wasn't worth the man -hours right now when there are far more pressing features to work on for the initial release. This does not prohibit you from making a very simple Max/MSP patch that uses the existing Ms. P objects and sending that data directly to VDMX5 over OSC on the same computer.

- David @ Vidvox

ps. In the future please do not double-post on the forums- we already read every topic that is posted, and it won't get your question answered any sooner.

[adrock42]

would it be against the terms of MAX/MSP to create this patch and post it so we could start playing with it? If its not illegal, could someone create it and add it to the forum? I haven't used MAX/MSP at all, but I know that you can write patches as self executing applications. I know VJ Fader is working on it for his AV Mixer, but the mac version doesn't seem like its gonna drop any time soon. thanks in advance!!!

[adrock42]

i was able to capture the output screen into VDMX from Ms. Pinky Maxi Patch AV with vade's screen capture plug-in. its a bit of a work around, but it works. I'm getting a sound interface in a couple of days, right now i just have one table plugged in with an rca to stereo mini and i get some lag. I'll drop something cool next week some time.

[dlublin]

Hey adrock,

As far as I know, there would be no licensing issues if someone were to make a very simple Max/MSP standalone application that did what I described above (using the Ms. Pinky objects and sending it out over OSC or MIDI).

I'm kind of surprised that the Ms. Pinky folks don't have that available as one of the standard applications they include, seems like it would be incredibly useful for people working with applications other than Max/MSP / the standalone Maxi Patch (which if I recall correctly is made with Max/MSP).

- D

[Mudo]

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Hi David,
First of all excuse my double posting I wasn't sure where to post.

About Ms. Pinky integration I believed that VDMX was wrote in Maxmsp, excuse me for that so.

Actually Maxipatch Audio has midi and OSC output and it could work as a translator but my idea is a library or something like to use directly (VDMX is modular and integrating solution no?) for those all people that they didn't have Ms. Pinky purchased but could benefit from Torq compatibility...

I will try to find anybody capable to write the generic "translator".
Could you advice which specs will need to do it easy affordable to VDMX?

My idea for use VDMX is like Kaptivator but with Ms. Pinky scratch feature...

Thanks a lot,
Mudo
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[adrock42]

Mudo, thanks for that update about the Maxipatch A0 Update. That totally works. I gotta figure out the math in the behavior chain so that the time on my dz1200 reads out the same from VDMX. Will post back shortly

[adrock42]

It works!!!!! Vinyl Control Within VDMX using Maxi Patch AO for audio!!! sweeettt!!!!

I used a longer music video to make sure i kept the sync all the way through. In Maxi Patch 3.7.0 I set up the normal Ms. Pinky stuff. I used the OSC tab and sent it to 127.0.0.1 at destination port 1234. I renamed /mspinky/position to /mspinky/pos to keep it a little simple.

I opened VDMX, created one layer, got a Layer Control and Preview window looking at layer 1

I then created a behavior chain called MsPinkyMath. This took the longest to figure out becuase VDMX kept crashing when i was changing numbers.
1st behavior is a Multiply by 0.003209
2nd behavior is a Multiply by 0.01
3rd behavior is an Offset by -0.005010

I selected the Movie Time slider in layer controls and in the Slider / Button Inspector I used the data source "OSC/mspinky/pos" and MsPinkyMath for the behavior.

And i now have an extremely responsive sl-dz1200 that acts like a big jog wheel and syncs to audio from inside Maxi Patch AO. On top of that I can get all the fun stuff the VDMX has to offer like audio analysis and filters and such. It is as responsive as a DVJ and hasn't crashed yet. Now to figure out how to encode the video.

If any one is out there willing to try this, let me know if the math is good in the behavior. I'm gonna go practice for my gig on friday.

[dlublin]

Hey adrock,

If the crash you're getting is repeatable on your end, could you make sure the crash logs are getting to us- I'm not seeing anything from you in our system.

Or if you are getting a beach-ball, next time you run into the problem grab a stack trace for us (http://wiki.vidvox.com/index.php/Stack_Trace) and send it our way using the bug reporter (or e-mail support [at] vidvox.com) so we can have a look into it.

(Beach-balls are somewhat different from a crash and not picked up by our built-in reporter)

- Dave

[adrock42]

Crash reported wasn't werkin. Its not a beach ball its a VDMX just turned off kind of thing. I was hitting it pretty hard, as in changing behavior values in the middle of sending all kinds of OSC data from Pinky, and after i set it all up ev ereything is groovy and i could send any of the music vids at it. I was also playing streight NTSC-DV videos in FCP movie format because I needed a visual metronome

Is there something I should change to get the crash report out to you guys? The apple one was working, but I still haven't seen a VDMX one.

[dlublin]

Hey adrock,

Whenever VDMX is launched and has access to the Internet, you should be prompted with the automatic crash reporter window. Once you click the submit button, any recent logs will be sent to us. If you simply haven't opened VDMX while connected to the internet in a while, give it a launch (and make sure you're not blocking it with LittleSnitch/etc.) so we can get the logs.

If for some reason the logs aren't being sent automatically but you can easily report the problem, just choose "Report Bug" from the Help menu so we can have a look at them immediately

- David @ VV

[Mudo]

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[adrock42]

Mudo,
see my above post. I am using a DZ-SL1200 with an echo audiofire 2 interface. After i get maxi patch working i send the data to VDMX as stated above. Please give it a shot. I think the math in the behavior might have to change as the file size differs. Not positive, but while I was performing the shorter loops were not working as well.

here is me spinning soggy bottomz with DJ Ebin Flo at our monthly Flodown Event in orlando. sorry about the frame rate. I didnt have time to set the recording up correctly in QTpro.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... d=52811646

and here is just the track
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... d=52812191

I have to do a software and hardware diagram for my thesis committee, and i'll probably throw together a tutorial when i get back next week. Ill see what i can string together while I am out of town

[Mudo]

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My motivation (6 years ago) for start advicing Ms. Pinky developer was focused in two ways:

Videoscratching outside Maxipatch for Live acts giving the tool for djs and Ableton Live Scratch clips or entirely song

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Scratch visualization like Visual Scratch and Turntable Surgeon.

I advice Jesse and Aaron. Jesse pass by me (and implement...) and Aaron re-write his appz for implementing Ms. Pinky vinyl tracking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8izg3jHIfI
http://www.skrasoft.com/

If you want/need any help that I could give you, please notice me.
I will be agree (and happy)

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[Mudo]

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Adrock,
you don't have an sldz ultrasensible jog... you have a Stanton SCS.1d virtual


hahahahaha... I Love rock the Corps!

Give a favour, remember the bibliography in your thesis:
http://www.mspinky.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=842



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